from Ribaduism to debate with Kenobi I
Dear Kenobi,
The only point on which I do not find a myriad of inconsistencies in your submission (and the earlier on what you don't know limiting your judgment...) is an unabashed Ribaduist fervour, which by the way...you are entitled to.
Starting with the law of average (the enemy called average as one of those Norman Vincent Pearle kind of books puts it). "Smart" and its converse are contextual. You could have a room full of 100 persons smart in a 100 different human endeavours. It is the relationship of the task with the sphere of their smartness competence that gives you the net result you are looking for....not to go into other extraneous factors.
From inconsistencies in the abstract, you head straight into formulations that can not but lead one into confusion about what or who an hero is. An anachronism? Since we are not in a Freedom Square la 'yi wo 'we (without looking at book) jamboree, checked all the online dictionaries of US & UK English as well as those for political jargonry that I could turn my browser to -not to talk of the wikis!- I can not see how one can agree with an hero being an anachronism magnificent or not. The relationship seems out of point to me and at best overly ambiguous; ever ready to learn though, I'll appreciate it if you could enlighten me on this angle.
Your 'after all he is a police' position is denigrative of our police force (which Ribadu willingly joined...as a lawyer). In response to it, linked to your law of averages, I believe that you will agree with me considering the sterling performance of Nigerian police officers when on missions outside Naija -where the equipment, orientation, etc are different- that the average chimera and attendant issues are contextual.
You have a right to pick your heroes, but an understanding of ribadu outside the rubric of the post-Washington consensus' politics, hides much more than what it reveals. Flowinf from the '82 Peso crisis, the first wave of Thatcerite-Reaganomics of neoliberalism hit the 3rd World. Our own logo there was "austerity measures" subsequent fine tuning led to the SAPs the contents of which served as the template for what John Williamson defined as the "Washington Consensus". The Asian crisis of '97 showed the gross inadequacies of it. With the excuse of cronyism in Indonesia, etc, corruption became a straw man construct to use in putting the blame for the failure of SAP & the WC (a form of Bretton Woods WC to flush us all down), leading to the post-Washington Consensus which stressed the need for anti-corruption campaigns, structures, etc. This was when Obj was coming to power and it geared the setting up of structures like the EFCC.
The above which is greatly simplified is why Ribadu stuck his neck out for the big bad wolf of corruption who was WB president. On April 15 this year, he got the WB's Jill Git Award.
The long and short of it -if this prompts a debate; I'm ready for the long...- is that the issues go deeper than any sense of heroic commitment by Ribadu to the Nigerian project first and foremost, and as you noted that what one can infer is limited by what one knows, in referring to Powell et al, why don't you first try to know what Otive knows which he hinted at and be bold enough to conclude on sticking with your Ribaduist hero-worshiping or not, in the almost unfolding year...which I'm signing off now to go and welcome where and how it should be...?
Baba Aye
--- On Tue, 12/30/08, Don Kenobi
From: Don Kenobi
Subject: Re: [FOIcoalition] Otive What Next As Per Ribadu? Attn: Adams
To: "FOIcoalition@yahoogroups.com"
Cc: "FOI Groups"
Date: Tuesday, December 30, 2008, 4:01 PM
I like your consistency Areh but Otive's comment is perfectly normal. I know I'm beginning to sound like a broken record but it what I call the law of averages. Others may call it the pull of gravity. Basically if you put smart people in a room, the net result of their deliberations will be smarter than if they'd performed alone. The converse unfortunately is true.....
... And this is what makes Ribadu a hero to us! HE HAD NO REASON TO PERFORM AS BRILLIANTLY AS HE DID! HE COULD HAVE FAILED LIKE EVERYONE BEFORE HIM afterall he was a 'police'... He this is an anomaly. A magnificient anachronism and what is a hero if not an anachronism? A brilliant compelling one!!
He escaped the pull of gravity which is more than could be said for Mr. Otive... ... And this is what makes Ribadu a hero to us! Can nobody understand this?
I do not agree with Ribadu always. For instance I think he should have gone to Benin to resume. (I am talking from my experience) bid your time, confound your enemies with continued dedication and quality work and when you are ready, confound them again - make your move...
I care not much about his dismissal it is the governments hypocrisy and the reversal of the war against corruption which bothers me. Let's face it the Nigerian police as an institution is for the dregs who cannot find employment anywhere else. Why we expect them to keep us safe is another matter entirely.
Areh
I value your independent thinking. I once opposed the whole FOI thing - on this very forum. Keep sending in your thoughts. In forces me to clarify mine even to myself.
DK
The only point on which I do not find a myriad of inconsistencies in your submission (and the earlier on what you don't know limiting your judgment...) is an unabashed Ribaduist fervour, which by the way...you are entitled to.
Starting with the law of average (the enemy called average as one of those Norman Vincent Pearle kind of books puts it). "Smart" and its converse are contextual. You could have a room full of 100 persons smart in a 100 different human endeavours. It is the relationship of the task with the sphere of their smartness competence that gives you the net result you are looking for....not to go into other extraneous factors.
From inconsistencies in the abstract, you head straight into formulations that can not but lead one into confusion about what or who an hero is. An anachronism? Since we are not in a Freedom Square la 'yi wo 'we (without looking at book) jamboree, checked all the online dictionaries of US & UK English as well as those for political jargonry that I could turn my browser to -not to talk of the wikis!- I can not see how one can agree with an hero being an anachronism magnificent or not. The relationship seems out of point to me and at best overly ambiguous; ever ready to learn though, I'll appreciate it if you could enlighten me on this angle.
Your 'after all he is a police' position is denigrative of our police force (which Ribadu willingly joined...as a lawyer). In response to it, linked to your law of averages, I believe that you will agree with me considering the sterling performance of Nigerian police officers when on missions outside Naija -where the equipment, orientation, etc are different- that the average chimera and attendant issues are contextual.
You have a right to pick your heroes, but an understanding of ribadu outside the rubric of the post-Washington consensus' politics, hides much more than what it reveals. Flowinf from the '82 Peso crisis, the first wave of Thatcerite-Reaganomics of neoliberalism hit the 3rd World. Our own logo there was "austerity measures" subsequent fine tuning led to the SAPs the contents of which served as the template for what John Williamson defined as the "Washington Consensus". The Asian crisis of '97 showed the gross inadequacies of it. With the excuse of cronyism in Indonesia, etc, corruption became a straw man construct to use in putting the blame for the failure of SAP & the WC (a form of Bretton Woods WC to flush us all down), leading to the post-Washington Consensus which stressed the need for anti-corruption campaigns, structures, etc. This was when Obj was coming to power and it geared the setting up of structures like the EFCC.
The above which is greatly simplified is why Ribadu stuck his neck out for the big bad wolf of corruption who was WB president. On April 15 this year, he got the WB's Jill Git Award.
The long and short of it -if this prompts a debate; I'm ready for the long...- is that the issues go deeper than any sense of heroic commitment by Ribadu to the Nigerian project first and foremost, and as you noted that what one can infer is limited by what one knows, in referring to Powell et al, why don't you first try to know what Otive knows which he hinted at and be bold enough to conclude on sticking with your Ribaduist hero-worshiping or not, in the almost unfolding year...which I'm signing off now to go and welcome where and how it should be...?
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- Bob Marley
"We will no longer hear your command, we'll seize the control from your hands
we will fan the flames of our anger and pain....Amandla, Ngawethu"
- UB 40
--- On Tue, 12/30/08, Don Kenobi
From: Don Kenobi
Subject: Re: [FOIcoalition] Otive What Next As Per Ribadu? Attn: Adams
To: "FOIcoalition@yahoogroups.com"
Cc: "FOI Groups"
Date: Tuesday, December 30, 2008, 4:01 PM
I like your consistency Areh but Otive's comment is perfectly normal. I know I'm beginning to sound like a broken record but it what I call the law of averages. Others may call it the pull of gravity. Basically if you put smart people in a room, the net result of their deliberations will be smarter than if they'd performed alone. The converse unfortunately is true.....
... And this is what makes Ribadu a hero to us! HE HAD NO REASON TO PERFORM AS BRILLIANTLY AS HE DID! HE COULD HAVE FAILED LIKE EVERYONE BEFORE HIM afterall he was a 'police'... He this is an anomaly. A magnificient anachronism and what is a hero if not an anachronism? A brilliant compelling one!!
He escaped the pull of gravity which is more than could be said for Mr. Otive... ... And this is what makes Ribadu a hero to us! Can nobody understand this?
I do not agree with Ribadu always. For instance I think he should have gone to Benin to resume. (I am talking from my experience) bid your time, confound your enemies with continued dedication and quality work and when you are ready, confound them again - make your move...
I care not much about his dismissal it is the governments hypocrisy and the reversal of the war against corruption which bothers me. Let's face it the Nigerian police as an institution is for the dregs who cannot find employment anywhere else. Why we expect them to keep us safe is another matter entirely.
Areh
I value your independent thinking. I once opposed the whole FOI thing - on this very forum. Keep sending in your thoughts. In forces me to clarify mine even to myself.
DK
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